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Friday, March 12, 2010

101 Atheist Quotes

  1. The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality. – George Bernard Shaw
  2. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. – Friedrich Nietzsche
  3. I believe in God, only I spell it Nature. – Frank Lloyd Wright
  4. We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. – Gene Roddenberry
  5. To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. - Isaac Asimov
  6. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. – Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
  7. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. – Seneca the Younger
  8. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. – Anonymous
  9. Not only is there no god, but try getting a plumber on weekends. – Woody Allen
  10. If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul. – Isaac Asimov
  11. Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination. – Edward Abbey
  12. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven Weinberg
  13. I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. – Doug McLeod
  14. The world holds two classes of men – intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. – Abu’l‐Ala al Ma’arri
  15. Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? – Anonymous
  16. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. – Susan B. Anthony
  17. The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. – Delos B. McKown
  18. Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. – Anonymous
  19. Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. – Francis Bacon
  20. The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. – Richard Dawkins
  21. A God who kept tinkering with the universe was absurd; a God who interfered with human freedom and creativity was tyrant. If God is seen as a self in a world of his own, an ego that relates to a thought, a cause separate from its effect. he becomes a being, not Being itself. An omnipotent, all‐knowing tyrant is not so different from earthly dictators who make everything and everybody mere cogs in the machine which they controlled. An atheism that rejects such a God is amply justified. – Karen Armstrong
  22. It is not as in the Bible, that God created man in his own image. But, on the contrary, man created God in his own image. – Ludwig Feuerbach
  23. People ask me what I think about that woman priest thing. What, a woman priest? Women priests. Great, great. Now there’s priests of both sexes I don’t listen to. – Bill Hicks
  24. All the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science. – Matthew Arnold
  25. Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. – Anonymous
  26. Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one. – Richard Dawkins
  27. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. – Christopher Hitchens
  28. In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. – Friedrich Nietzsche
  29. It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible. – George W. Foote
  30. On the first day, man created God. – Anonymous
  31. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.– Stephen Roberts
  32. You do not need the Bible to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate.– Richard A. Weatherwax
  33. What’s “God”? Well, you know, when you want something really bad and you close your eyes and you wish for it? God’s the guy that ignores you. – Steve Buscemi (From the movie “The Island”)
  34. As far as I can tell from studying the scriptures, all you do in heaven is pretty much just sit around all day and praise the Lord. I don’t know about you, but I think that after the first, oh, I don’t know, 50,000,000 years of that I’d start to get a little bored. – Rick Reynolds
  35. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish. – Anonymous
  36. Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. – Don Hirschberg
  37. God should be executed for crimes against humanity. – Bryan Emmanuel Gutierrez
  38. To say that atheism requires faith is as dim-witted as saying that disbelief in pixies or leprechauns takes faith. Even if Einstein himself told me there was an elf on my shoulder, I would still ask for proof and I wouldn’t be wrong to ask. – Geoff Mather
  39. I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. – Mark Twain
  40. Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men. – Voltaire
  41. And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence. – Bertrand Russell
  42. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? – Epicurus
  43. I’m a polyatheist – there are many gods I don’t believe in. – Dan Fouts
  44. If it turns out that there is a God, I don’t think that he’s evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he’s an underachiever. – Woody Allen
  45. A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. – David Stevens
  46. Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. – Robert A Heinlein
  47. I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. – Douglas Adams
  48. It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. – Mark Twain
  49. He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. – William Drummond
  50. Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family. – Steven Colbert
  51. Which is it, is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s? – Friedrich Nietzsche
  52. Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. – Carlespie Mary Alice McKinney
  53. Religion has caused more misery to all of mankind in every stage of human history than any other single idea. – Anonymous
  54. When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life. – Sigmund Freud
  55. They felt that science would be corrosive to religious belief and they were worried about it. Damn it, I think they were right. It is corrosive to religious belief and it’s a good thing. – Steven Weinberg
  56. Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains. – Robert G. Ingersoll
  57. History teaches us that no other cause has brought more death than the word of god. – Giulian Buzila
  58. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. – George Carlin
  59. We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. – Richard Dawkins
  60. A believer states everything must have a creator but fail to say how he was created. – Anonymous
  61. “There are no atheists in foxholes” isn’t an argument against atheism, it’s an argument against foxholes. – James Morrow
  62. People will then often say, ‘But surely it’s better to remain an Agnostic just in case?’ This, to me, suggests such a level of silliness and muddle that I usually edge out of the conversation rather than get sucked into it. (If it turns out that I’ve been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would choose not to worship him anyway.)– Douglas Adams
  63. Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived. – Isaac Asimov
  64. If all the Christians who have called other Christians “not really a Christian” were to vanish, there’d be no Christians left. – Anonymous
  65. An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support. – John Buchan
  66. Gods dont kill people. People with Gods kill people. – David Viaene
  67. If God were suddenly condemned to live the life which He has inflicted upon men, He would kill Himself. – Alexandre Dumas
  68. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. – Sam Harris
  69. I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose – Clarence Darrow
  70. No philosophy, no religion, has ever brought so glad a message to the world as this good news of Atheism. – Annie Wood Besant
  71. I refuse to believe in a god who is the primary cause of conflict in the world, preaches racism, sexism, homophobia, and ignorance, and then sends me to hell if I’m ‘bad’. – Mike Fuhrman
  72. Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. – Frater Ravus
  73. Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o, and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have.– Penn Jillette
  74. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power but absolute power is corrupt only in the hands of the absolutely faithful. – Anonymous
  75. Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. – Chapman Cohen
  76. The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it. – Robert G. Ingersoll
  77. When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. – Robert Pirsig
  78. I wonder who got the shit job of scouring the planet for the 15000 species of butterfly or the 8800 species of ant they eventually took on board Noah’s Ark. But at least we got that magical rainbow for all their trouble. – Azura Skye
  79. I have no need for religion, I have a conscience. – Anonymous
  80. Man has always required an explanation for all of those things in the world he did not understand. If an explanation was not available, he created one. – Jim Crawford
  81. I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. – Richard Dawkins
  82. What has been Christianity’s fruits? Superstition, Bigotry and Persecution. – James Madison
  83. The characters and events depicted in the damn bible are fictitious. Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. – Penn and Teller
  84. If god is the alpha and the omega. The begining and the end, knows what has passed and what is to come, like it states in the bible, why do people pray and think it will make any difference. – Mark Fairclough
  85. The finality of death is the coldest truth one must face. Religion makes the perfect distraction.– Anonymous
  86. Religion is the opiate of the masses. – Karl Marx
  87. If God created the world, then who created god? and who created whoever created god? So somewhere along the line something had to just be there. So why can’t we just skip the idea of god and go straight to earth? – Ryan Hanson
  88. If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not. – Sam Harris
  89. Atheists will celebrate life, while you’re in church celebrating death. – Anonymous
  90. Animals do not have gods, they are smarter than that. – Ronnie Snow
  91. I have observed that the world has suffered far less from ignorance than from pretensions to knowledge. It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress. No agnostic ever burned anyone at the stake or tortured a pagan, a heretic, or an unbeliever. – Daniel Boorstin
  92. I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake… Religion is all bunk. – Thomas Edison
  93. Fundamentalism, of any type, due to its prerequisite lack of intelligent thought, could prove to be the worst weapon of mass destruction, of all. – David J. Constable
  94. To really be free, You need to be free in the mind. – Alexander Loutsis
  95. Most religions prophecy the end of the world and then consistently work together to ensure that these prophecies come true. – Anonymous
  96. Jesus hardly made the greatest sacrifice. He knew he would be resurrected anyway. – Anonymous
  97. Religion is like a virus that affects the behaviour of its host in such a way as to propagate itself further. – Jack Pritchard
  98. Religions are like pills, which must be swallowed whole without chewing. – Anonymous
  99. Today’s religion will be the future’s mythology. Both believed at one time by many; but proved wrong by the clever. – Steven Crocker
  100. The Bible – A Fairytale book of rules brainwashing millions. Obliviously used to help create war, kill, hate, judge and discriminate. – Anonymous
  101. Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? – Douglas Adams

36 comments:

微笑每一天 said...

thank you for you to make me learn more,thank you∩0∩

Fardeen said...
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Fardeen said...

(In response to ur article y we r here?)
Hello,
In your article you said that the life is what we live in this world and after dead everything is finished. Based on your thoughts, human should have had a very simple structure and very few abilities. Because the live style you draw for a human, doesn't need the complexities which he/she bears, which is something evident to all and is proven scientificaly.
How is she/he formed in uterus? Just by fusion of two different gamates(sperm and ovum), comparely very simple and very, very different structure to human body, without any organ, like a piece of flesh. Later on, it grows specific organs in order to adapt and prepare to the new world. Ultimately, comes to this world. Very weak, can not feed itself and knowing nothing. Grows up and starts to learn things and becomes a gentleman and finally goes towards the final destination, death. You say (That is the end, he/she is thrown away) right! Then what about the whole complex and mysterious processes and ways through which he reaches this point from the very beginning? Was that all a trivial and nonesense, PREPROGRAMMED BY ITSELF! He/she was created aimlessly!

Now, ask your logic about it. Will it accept that! You would probably say (yes). Then it would be probably more easier for your logic to accept this event:
Suppose you are sightseeing, suddenly your attention is attracted by a big tree.... MIRACLE HAPPENS!... You are staring to the event. The tree is being cut automatically by itslef into well-shaped pieces and very nice furnitures and desks are formed of it. You are astonished by this event!

Will it be true? Will you believe such event to happen? Well, to be honest, that is what your logic thinks of mankind and the whole universe. Amazing thoughts! I am astonished!

(I am sorry for being direct, but that is the only way I could tell it.)

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awakened said...

Hello Fardeen,

Thank you for the comment, and i sincerely apologize for my late reply.
You pose a strong argument, unfortunately its an argument that is based on emotions, the reason being that you can not accept existence without having a purpose that is obvious to us humans and we can relate to and understand.
It is true that a tree can't cut it self down and transform it self in to furniture, however, it's a false analogy, because you're measuring the singularity of existence, with an object that its chemical properties doesn't allow it to perform the tasks that you have mentioned.
Science doesn't know all the answers right now, but ask your self this; Even if science doesn't know the answers, does that give credence to the notion of the existence of God? both theists and atheists might be wrong about their claims. Then again Let us suppose for an instance that science was able to answer our life long question "the universe started from void" you will still say "then who created the void" in other words, when ever science answers a question, you will always place your in a further level and challenge science to debunk your argument.
Our way of perceiving our existence is very narrowed down to our classical view of how things are made "Stuff are made by us, therefor we must have been made by god" which is again a false analogy, if this is your approach, then you're surely contradicting your self, believing that there has to be a God who made us based on the above, then logic would demand that there has to be a more complex and more capable creator of God, what you're doing here is making an exception for God and saying "God made us and God is eternal" which makes no sense.

klatu said...

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This new teaching has nothing whatsoever to do with any existing religious conception known to history. It is unique in every respect. What science and religion have agreed was not possible, has now become all too inevitable.

Using a synthesis of scriptural material from the Old and New Testaments, the Apocrypha , The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Nag Hammadi Library, and some of the worlds great poetry, it describes and teaches a single moral LAW, a single moral principle, and offers the promise of its own proof; one in which the reality of God responds directly to an act of perfect faith with a individual intervention into the natural world; 'raising up the man' correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries. Intended to be understood metaphorically, where 'death' is ignorance and 'Life' is knowledge, this experience, personal encounter of transcendent power and moral purpose is the 'Resurrection', and justification for faith. Here is where true morality and perfect virtue, called righteousness begins.

Here then is the first ever viable religious conception capable of leading reason, by faith, to observable consequences which can be tested and judged. This new teaching delivers the first ever religious claim of insight into the human condition, that meets the Enlightenment criteria of verifiable and 'extraordinary' evidence based truth embodied in action. For the first time in history, however unexpected, the world must now measure for itself, the reality of a new claim to revealed truth, a moral tenet not of human intellectual origin, offering access by faith, to absolute proof, an objective basis for moral principle and a fully rationally justifiable belief!

This is 'religion' without any of the conventional trappings of tradition. An individual, virtue-ethical conception, independent of all cultural perception in a single moral command, and the single Law finds it's expression of obedience within a new covenant of marriage. It requires no institutional framework or hierarchy, no churches or priest craft, no scholastic theological rational, dogma or doctrine and ‘worship’ requires only conviction, faith and the necessary measure of self discipline to accomplish a new, single, categorical moral imperative and the integrity and fidelity to the new reality.

If confirmed, this will represent a paradigm change in the moral and intellectual potential of human nature itself; untangling the greatest questions of human existence: consciousness, meaning, suffering, free will and evil. And at the same time addressing the most profound problems of our age.

Trials of this new teaching are open to all and under way in many countries. For those individuals who will question their own prejudices, who can imagine outside the historical cultural box, with the moral courage to learn something new, and test this for themselves, to stand against the stream of fashionable thought and spin, an intellectual and moral revolution is already under way, where the 'impossible' becomes inevitable, with the most potent Non Violent Direct Action any human being can take to advance peace, justice, change and progress.

Published [at the moment] only on the web, a typeset manuscript of this new teaching is available as a free [1.4meg] PDF download from a variety of sites including:

[www].energon.org.uk

klatu said...

The first wholly new interpretation for 2000 years of the Gospel and moral teachings of Christ is on the web. Redefining all primary elements including Faith, the Word, Law, Baptism, the Trinity and especially the Resurrection, this new interpretation questions the validity and origins of all Christian tradition; it overturns all natural law ethics and theory. At stake is the credibility of several thousand years of religious history and moral teaching.

This new teaching has nothing whatsoever to do with any existing religious conception known to history. It is unique in every respect. What science and religion have agreed was not possible, has now become all too inevitable.

Using a synthesis of scriptural material from the Old and New Testaments, the Apocrypha , The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Nag Hammadi Library, and some of the worlds great poetry, it describes and teaches a single moral LAW, a single moral principle, and offers the promise of its own proof; one in which the reality of God responds directly to an act of perfect faith with a individual intervention into the natural world; 'raising up the man' correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries. Intended to be understood metaphorically, where 'death' is ignorance and 'Life' is knowledge, this experience, personal encounter of transcendent power and moral purpose is the 'Resurrection', and justification for faith. Here is where true morality and perfect virtue, called righteousness begins.

Here then is the first ever viable religious conception capable of leading reason, by faith, to observable consequences which can be tested and judged. This new teaching delivers the first ever religious claim of insight into the human condition, that meets the Enlightenment criteria of verifiable and 'extraordinary' evidence based truth embodied in action. For the first time in history, however unexpected, the world must now measure for itself, the reality of a new claim to revealed truth, a moral tenet not of human intellectual origin, offering access by faith, to absolute proof, an objective basis for moral principle and a fully rationally justifiable belief!

This is 'religion' without any of the conventional trappings of tradition. An individual, virtue-ethical conception, independent of all cultural perception in a single moral command, and the single Law finds it's expression of obedience within a new covenant of marriage. It requires no institutional framework or hierarchy, no churches or priest craft, no scholastic theological rational, dogma or doctrine and ‘worship’ requires only conviction, faith and the necessary measure of self discipline to accomplish a new, single, categorical moral imperative and the integrity and fidelity to the new reality.

If confirmed, this will represent a paradigm change in the moral and intellectual potential of human nature itself; untangling the greatest questions of human existence: consciousness, meaning, suffering, free will and evil. And at the same time addressing the most profound problems of our age.

Trials of this new teaching are open to all and under way in many countries. For those individuals who will question their own prejudices, who can imagine outside the historical cultural box, with the moral courage to learn something new, and test this for themselves, to stand against the stream of fashionable thought and spin, an intellectual and moral revolution is already under way, where the 'impossible' becomes inevitable, with the most potent Non Violent Direct Action any human being can take to advance peace, justice, change and progress.

Published [at the moment] only on the web, a typeset manuscript of this new teaching is available as a free [1.4meg] PDF download from a variety of sites including:

[www].energon.org.uk

Fardeen said...

Hello Dear friend( awakened) ,
You said that Gods' concept that I in my previous comment is based on emotions, I realy don't blame you for it, that is because you have never tasted having a firm faith to percieve it. The argument I made in previous is not my emotions and made by any other human kind. Instead it is said in Holy Quran( the base of Islam) which was distributed by prophet Mohammad(PBUH) 14 centuries ago and now has approximately 1400 million followers. You probably might say that Quran is compiled and written by Mohammad. But if you have ever read it impartialy not thinking yourself an atheist and percieved its contents saying about nature's rules, physics, biology, human embryology, commercial rules, politics...etc which are discovered and proven by science and accepted by human solid wisdom. And on the other hand you read about Mohammad's life story which never joined any school or university you would never ever, ever made that arguement(Quran made by Mohammad or any other scholar).

Now ask yourself how can an illiterated Mohammad or others as you think had the knowledge of present modern science. Don't you think, all these informations have heaven source??

The other thing that you have mentioned in your comment was the concept of Series of creation made by Arastotle, which you have reached to God and couldn't cross it. First, it is only a theory, secondly, it was made to be emplemented on matter. But, the introduction which Quran give us about God is not matter( verse of Quran: Laisa ka meslehi shaiaa) meaning that nothing is alike God and we can not exemplify him.


Just think for a moment the following event:
You are almost died and you recieve a NO RETURN! signal and there you percieve that there was a God which you completely denied his existence throughout your life. What will do at that time?!



Now, my dear and dear friend I sincerely recommend you to read the Quran and Mohammad's real story
and compare them, but bear in mind to be impartial,not thinking yourself an atheist or a theist.

Regards,

awakened said...

Dear Fardeen,

I don't like pushing my views on others, but the way you phrase your argument is considered an insult to my intelligence. and please let me explain why:

You presented me with "Pascal's wager" which says "What do i have to lose if i believe in God?" you said that if i don't believe in God, and judgment day comes, then i would be in trouble because at that time God will not give me a second chance to redeem my self.

Well.. there are a few problems with your argument, first of all, If There is a God, and that God is not capable of forgiving some one who is genuinely in capable of believing in him for the lack of evidence, then that would contradict with God's capacity for mercy and forgiveness.

Secondly, You said "What if im wrong about God?" I would have to ask you the same question, what if you're wrong about the Islamic God, maybe the Hindu God is the true God, and by worshipping the Islamic God, as a result you will only make the Hindu God more mad at you.

AS for how Muhammad came up with the Qur'an, well i can come up with a million explanations on how Muhammad can come up with such book. and here's a few:
1- Muhammad was always traveling all around in trade routs, which allowed him to meet different people with different faiths. Judaism and christianity were not so strange to him, people of different faiths could have explained to Muhammad how their faith operates. So this explains why the Islamic religion has so many similarities to christian faith. Because Muhammad lacked the creativity to come up with a new religion, he felt the need to copy from older religions.
2- You don't have to be literate to have the ability to rhyme words, Muhammad was illiterate, but he wasn't stupid, he could still create the qur'an in his mind, and later his followers can write it down for him.
3- The science in the Qur'an is the same science that was available in Muhammad's time, even ancient Egyptians knew more about astrology than all three monotheistic religions, so because ancient Egyptians had that kind of advanced knowledge does that make ancient Egyptian religions true?
Eratosthenes, the great Greek Mathematician who lived 276 years before Jesus had calculated the earth's measurements with an amazing only 1% error, was capable of achieving such a great achievement such great knowledge about our planet size(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes) and he told us that the out planet is a sphere long before Muslims claimed Muhammad did.
The same applies to every science in the Qur'an, Muhammad only copied what ever science was available in his time, when most of the science books got burned in wars and conquests, there was only one book left to tell us about the science that was available before 1400 years.

By the way, I was a Muslim for most of my life, and i did read the Qur'an thoroughly as a Muslim, and as an atheist, i also did read the (Saheeh Al-Bukhari) and (Saheeh Al-Muslim) and (Feqh Al-Sunnah) and (Al bedayah Wal Nehayah) and (Fatawi Ebn Taymeyah 20 Books) and (Tafseer Al-Qur'an Al azeem by Ebn Katheer) all in their original Arabic texts, I also had countless numbers of debates with so many Imams who couldn't answer any of my questions, and the only conclusion i can come up with after reading all those books and after all those debates, is that Muhammad is a liar.

Fardeen said...

Dear Awakened,


I appologize for being late. To be sincere let me tell the reason: We are medical university students and are quite busy. But still whenever we have time, we friendly log on to your blog. It would be unfair if you consider our comments as an insult, which is in contradiction to islamic ethics. I really try to make my words in a best way I can.


The world of reasoning is quite extended as you said (million explanation), I say it to be million of millions. But it is more likely that unbased reasons usually neutralize each other.
But we have to take in mind that truth is truth and can not be blurred by any kind of reasonings. As is the case reasoning with a blind person, trying to proove you a shinny day as a dark night.


Let me come to your comments:

About Almighty Allah's forgiveness let me solve it from Hadith Qodsi saying that: (I forgive all sins of humankind even if they are in the number leaves and size of ocean bed, exept one if anyone brings me a share.) The only prescription in this case is that one should repent before death.

In your comments you pointed towards tours of Prophet which has never been certified by any accepted history book. If there is any, that would only be drawn by its authors imagines and the way they want, many of them contradict each other, just like romantic books. But the reality is that Muhammad has traveled to Madina and Thaef during his infancy and once to Suria in earlys of his youth with his uncle Abo Taleb when he was only 12y. Now how is it possible that he has got acquainted with during these trips to worldwide philosophy to mimic them.

About similarities among Islam, Judism and Christianity:
That is true that there are some basic similarities among them that is because they all have the same source and origin. If one has once glanced the Quran, this fact is written in bold that( Allah is God of Ibraham, Jhesus, Christ and many other messengers) and Muhammad is also a ring of that chain.


The last thing I say is that the title(liar) you have pasted on Prophet is realy unfair for such a personality and one thing more to say is that all the bad titles(Mental poet, magician, liar and many more) were addressed towards him even at the time of his era by enemies of reality which are mentioned in Quran, the book of God.

mohammed said...

hi brother,
i read the Eratosthenes link on wiki vch u gav me... he just said tat the world is spherical and calculated the circumference.... but he couldn't tell bout the "OSTRICH EGG" shape of the earth which is mentioned in the GLORIOUS QURAN , the GLORIOUS QURAN mentions tat the earth is not spherical but as the shape of an ostrich's egg, now if u observe the ostrich's egg , it is tapering at the ends and bulging at the corners.. vch is exactly how the world is from "SCIENCE" .... this erastosthenes cudn't detect.. and the GLORIOUS QURAN tells that "THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING" vch was discovered recently, and the GLORIOUS QURAN also mentions bout teh fresh water and salty water and the "INVISIBLE BARRIER" between them.... and oceanologists have recently discovered(obviously in the nineteenth century) this phenomenon along the thousands of miles of the intersection of the MEDITERRANEAN SEA AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN near the coast of northern africa and the coast of europe , and the GLORIOUS QURAN also mentions that the mountains prevent earthquakes and keep the earth stable.. which was also discovered by seismologists recently,

mohammed said...

brother, all i am using here is substantial logic and evidence of not only islamic scriptures but also non-islamic scriptures.. i am not using "EMOTIONS" , i am just using the same tool as u used to falsely claim tat GOD doesn't exist..


and brother u said tat PROPHET MUHAMMAD (p.b.u.h) is a liar...


these are the comments written on him by some very famous non-muslims:

1) "MUHAMMAD'S UNIQUE POSITION IN RELIGIOUS HISTORY IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE INSPIRED ALL HE DID WITHOUT BEING A SAINT OR AN ANGEL, WITHOUT HAVING ANY ATTRIBUTES WHICH WERE NOT STRICTLY HUMAN.OUTSIDE HIS TREMENDOUS PERSONALITY, HE HAD NOTHING IN LIFE TO DISTINGUISH HIMSELF FROM OTHER MUSLIMS."
(the messenger by R.V.C Bodley)


2) "JUDGED BY THE SMALLNESS OF THE MEANS AT HIS DISPOSAL AND THE EXTENT AND PERMEANCE OF THE WORK HE ACCOMPLISHED,NO NAME IN THE WORLD'S HISTORY SHINES WITH A MORE SPECIOUS LUSTRE THAN THAT OF PROPHET OF MAKKAH."
(W.H Stobart)

3) "IT IS A VULGAR OPINION THAT "MAHOMET PROPAGATED HIS DOCTRINE BY THE SWORD",AND NOT ONLY COMPELLED THE ARABIANS AT FIRST TO RECEIVE HIS RELIGION BUT OBLIGED HIS SUCCESSORS BY A PERPETUAL VOW.BUT HOW GENERALLY SO EVER THIS BE BELIEVED AND HOW GREAT SO EVER THEY BE WHO SUPPORT IT, YET IT IS NO OTHER THAN A PALPABLE MISTAKE.IT IS VERY TRUE THAT MAHOMET DID LEVY WARS IN ARABIA BUT IT WAS WITH THE OBJECT OF RESTORING AN OLD RELIGION, NOT TO INTRODUCE A NEW ONE. HE TAUGHT HIS FOLLOWERS TO ABOLISH IDOLATORY EVERYWHERE AND THAT ALL THE WORLD WAS OBLIGED TO THE PROFESSION OF THESE TRUTHS.BUT THAT ALL MANKIND WERE TO BE FORCED TO THE PROFESSION OF HIS RELIGION OR THAT HE COMPELLED ANY THERETS, IS A FALSEHOOD."
(D.S MARGOLIOUTH)

4) "BUT IN THE CASE OF ISLAM, THERE CAN BE NO MISTAKE.TRUE, THE ARABS IN THEMSELVES WERE A GREAT AND VIRILE PEOPLE.BUT IT WAS THE GENIUS OF MUHAMMAD, THE SPIRIT HE BREATHED INTO THEM THROUGH THE SOUL OF ISLAM THAT EXALTED THEM.THAT RAISED THEM OUT OF THE LETHARGY AND LOW LEVEL OF TRIBAL STAGNATION."
(ISLAM, HER MORAL AND SPIRITUAL VALUE BY ARTHUR LEONARD)

5) "WE MIGHT CALL HIM A POET OR A PROPHET FOR WE FEEL THAT THE WORDS WHICH HE SPEAKS ARE NOT THE WORDS OF AN ORDINARY MAN.THEY HAVE THEIR IMMEDIATE SOURCE IN THE INNER REALITY OF THINGS,SINCE HE LIVES IN CONSTANT FELLOWSHIP WITH THIS REALITY."
(MUHAMMAD BY ANDRAE)

6) "IN LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR HE WAS ACTUALLY THE SPIRITUAL,NOMINAL AND TEMPORAL RULER OF MADINAH WITH HIS HAND ON THE LEVER THAT WAS TO SHAKE THE WORLD."
(MUHAMMAD,PROPHET OF ALLAH BY JOHN AUSTIN)

mohammed said...

brother, all i am using here is substantial logic and evidence of not only islamic scriptures but also non-islamic scriptures.. i am not using "EMOTIONS" , i am just using the same tool as u used to falsely claim tat GOD doesn't exist..


and brother u said tat PROPHET MUHAMMAD (p.b.u.h) is a liar...


these are the comments written on him by some very famous non-muslims:

1) "MUHAMMAD'S UNIQUE POSITION IN RELIGIOUS HISTORY IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE INSPIRED ALL HE DID WITHOUT BEING A SAINT OR AN ANGEL, WITHOUT HAVING ANY ATTRIBUTES WHICH WERE NOT STRICTLY HUMAN.OUTSIDE HIS TREMENDOUS PERSONALITY, HE HAD NOTHING IN LIFE TO DISTINGUISH HIMSELF FROM OTHER MUSLIMS."
(the messenger by R.V.C Bodley)


2) "JUDGED BY THE SMALLNESS OF THE MEANS AT HIS DISPOSAL AND THE EXTENT AND PERMEANCE OF THE WORK HE ACCOMPLISHED,NO NAME IN THE WORLD'S HISTORY SHINES WITH A MORE SPECIOUS LUSTRE THAN THAT OF PROPHET OF MAKKAH."
(W.H Stobart)

3) "IT IS A VULGAR OPINION THAT "MAHOMET PROPAGATED HIS DOCTRINE BY THE SWORD",AND NOT ONLY COMPELLED THE ARABIANS AT FIRST TO RECEIVE HIS RELIGION BUT OBLIGED HIS SUCCESSORS BY A PERPETUAL VOW.BUT HOW GENERALLY SO EVER THIS BE BELIEVED AND HOW GREAT SO EVER THEY BE WHO SUPPORT IT, YET IT IS NO OTHER THAN A PALPABLE MISTAKE.IT IS VERY TRUE THAT MAHOMET DID LEVY WARS IN ARABIA BUT IT WAS WITH THE OBJECT OF RESTORING AN OLD RELIGION, NOT TO INTRODUCE A NEW ONE. HE TAUGHT HIS FOLLOWERS TO ABOLISH IDOLATORY EVERYWHERE AND THAT ALL THE WORLD WAS OBLIGED TO THE PROFESSION OF THESE TRUTHS.BUT THAT ALL MANKIND WERE TO BE FORCED TO THE PROFESSION OF HIS RELIGION OR THAT HE COMPELLED ANY THERETS, IS A FALSEHOOD."
(D.S MARGOLIOUTH)

4) "BUT IN THE CASE OF ISLAM, THERE CAN BE NO MISTAKE.TRUE, THE ARABS IN THEMSELVES WERE A GREAT AND VIRILE PEOPLE.BUT IT WAS THE GENIUS OF MUHAMMAD, THE SPIRIT HE BREATHED INTO THEM THROUGH THE SOUL OF ISLAM THAT EXALTED THEM.THAT RAISED THEM OUT OF THE LETHARGY AND LOW LEVEL OF TRIBAL STAGNATION."
(ISLAM, HER MORAL AND SPIRITUAL VALUE BY ARTHUR LEONARD)

5) "WE MIGHT CALL HIM A POET OR A PROPHET FOR WE FEEL THAT THE WORDS WHICH HE SPEAKS ARE NOT THE WORDS OF AN ORDINARY MAN.THEY HAVE THEIR IMMEDIATE SOURCE IN THE INNER REALITY OF THINGS,SINCE HE LIVES IN CONSTANT FELLOWSHIP WITH THIS REALITY."
(MUHAMMAD BY ANDRAE)

6) "IN LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR HE WAS ACTUALLY THE SPIRITUAL,NOMINAL AND TEMPORAL RULER OF MADINAH WITH HIS HAND ON THE LEVER THAT WAS TO SHAKE THE WORLD."
(MUHAMMAD,PROPHET OF ALLAH BY JOHN AUSTIN)

mohammed said...

7) MAHOMET ESTABLISHED HIS RELIGIOUS SYSTEM IN A MANNER NOT ONLY SUITABLE TO THE SENTIMENTS OF HIS COMPATRIOTS,TO THEIR UNDERSTANDING AND TO THE DOMINATING CUSTOMS OF THEIR COUNTRY,BUT BEYOND THIS,SO PROPORTIONED TO THE COMMON IDEAS OF MANKIND THAT HE CONVERTED MORE THAN HALF OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS TO HIS OPINION AND ALL THIS IN LESS THAN FORTY YEARS.THUS IT SEEMED SUFFICIENT TO CAUSE THE DOCTRINE TO BE HEARD TOO,THEREBY SUBJECTING THE MINDS TO IT."
(LA VIE DE MAHOMED: AMSTERDOM BY BOULAINVILLIERS)

8) "MUHAMMAD(peace and blessings of ALLAH be upon him) IS BY MANY SEEN ONLY THROUGH THE FOG WHICH DREAD AND IGNORANCE HAVE SPREAD AROUND HIM.TO THEM HE IS AN OBJECT OF HORROR AGAINST WHICH ANYTHING EVIL MIGHT BE SAID.BUT NOW THE MISTS OF PREJUDICE HAVE CLEARED AWAY.WE CAN AFFORD TO SEE THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM IN A FAIRER LIGHT."
(THE PERMANENT ELEMENTARY IN RELIGION BY BISHOP BOYD CARPENTER)

9) "IT IS STRONGLY CORROBORATIVE OF MOHAMMAD'S SINCERITY THAT THE EARLIEST CONVERTS TO ISLAM WERE HIS BOSOM FRIENDS AND THE PEOPLE OF HIS HOUSE-HOLD WHO ALL INTIMATELY ACQUAINTED WITH HIS PRIVATE LIFE COULD NOT FAIL TO DETECT THOSE DISCREPANCIES WHICH MORE OR LESS INVARIABLY EXIST BETWEEN THE PRETENTIONS OF THE HYPOCRITICAL DECEIVER AND HIS ACTIONS AT HOME."
(AN APOLOGY FOR MUHAMMAD AND THE QURAN BY JOHN DAVENPORT)

10) "I WANTED TO KNOW THE BEST OF THE LIFE OF ONE WHO HOLDS TODAY UNDISPUTED SWAY OVER THE HEARTS OF MILLIONS OF MANKIND. I BECAME MORE THAN EVER CONVINCED THAT IT WAS NOT THE SWORD THAT WON A PLACE FOR ISLAM IN THOSE DAYS IN THE SCHEME OF LIFE.IT WAS THE RIGID SIMPLICITY, THE UTTER SELF-EFFACEMENT OF PROPHET,THE SCRUPULOUS REGARD FOR PLEDGES,HIS INTENSE DEVOTION TO HIS FRIENDS AND FOLLOWERS,HIS FEARLESSNESS,HIS ABSOLUTE TRUST IN GOD AND HIS OWN MISSION.THESE AND NOT THE SWORD CARRIED EVERYTHING BEFORE THEM AND SURMOUNTED EVERY OBSTACLE."
(MAHATMA GANDHI)

11) "MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) WAS THE SOUL OF KINDNESS AND HIS INFLUENCE WAS LEFT AND NEVER FORGOTTEN BY THOSE AROUND HIM."
(PROPHET OF THE EAST BY DIWAN CHAND SHARMA)

12) "THAT HIS MUHAMMAD'S REFORMS ENHANCED THE STATUS OF WOMEN,IN GENERAL,IS UNIVERSALLY ADMITTED."
(MOHAMMEDANISM BY H.A.R GIBB)


all these ppl are bro are non-muslims.. so according to u if he's a liar , then first u must prove all these 12 ppl as liars and all the millions of ppl who confirmed PROPHET MUHAMMAD(P.B.U.H) as a man of excellent stand of character. then only u hav the right to tel things bout this divine messenger(p.b.u.h) and obviously ur comment doesn't obviate the comments of these gr8 ppl, u need to prove me with substantial evidence, and if u can't then u wil hav to ********"ERASE UR COMPLETE BLOG"********** BCOS *******U WER UN AUTHENTIC AND DEALED WITH HYPOCRISY RIGHT FROM THE START******* ya do it by OCCAM'S RAZOR or watever....


or else if u still think if ur ryt.(which surely i kno tat u wil) then research first on all the ppl from day 1 of earth til nov 20,2010 who told even a pinch of GOOD about PROPHET MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) and then list all those ppl and research on their biographies and mail me with substantial evidence supporting ur point. and if u can't do this u don't hav a IOTA OF RIGHT to dare open ur mouth against such a divine personality. now here i am not getting 'EMOTIONAL' even a bit , i am just getting more and more logical using ur own tool...


and this is just 0.0000000000000000000000000000tending to infinity 1% about islam and its significance bcos my fragile human hands can also type to a certain limit tats all...

mohammed said...

7) MAHOMET ESTABLISHED HIS RELIGIOUS SYSTEM IN A MANNER NOT ONLY SUITABLE TO THE SENTIMENTS OF HIS COMPATRIOTS,TO THEIR UNDERSTANDING AND TO THE DOMINATING CUSTOMS OF THEIR COUNTRY,BUT BEYOND THIS,SO PROPORTIONED TO THE COMMON IDEAS OF MANKIND THAT HE CONVERTED MORE THAN HALF OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS TO HIS OPINION AND ALL THIS IN LESS THAN FORTY YEARS.THUS IT SEEMED SUFFICIENT TO CAUSE THE DOCTRINE TO BE HEARD TOO,THEREBY SUBJECTING THE MINDS TO IT."
(LA VIE DE MAHOMED: AMSTERDOM BY BOULAINVILLIERS)

8) "MUHAMMAD(peace and blessings of ALLAH be upon him) IS BY MANY SEEN ONLY THROUGH THE FOG WHICH DREAD AND IGNORANCE HAVE SPREAD AROUND HIM.TO THEM HE IS AN OBJECT OF HORROR AGAINST WHICH ANYTHING EVIL MIGHT BE SAID.BUT NOW THE MISTS OF PREJUDICE HAVE CLEARED AWAY.WE CAN AFFORD TO SEE THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM IN A FAIRER LIGHT."
(THE PERMANENT ELEMENTARY IN RELIGION BY BISHOP BOYD CARPENTER)

9) "IT IS STRONGLY CORROBORATIVE OF MOHAMMAD'S SINCERITY THAT THE EARLIEST CONVERTS TO ISLAM WERE HIS BOSOM FRIENDS AND THE PEOPLE OF HIS HOUSE-HOLD WHO ALL INTIMATELY ACQUAINTED WITH HIS PRIVATE LIFE COULD NOT FAIL TO DETECT THOSE DISCREPANCIES WHICH MORE OR LESS INVARIABLY EXIST BETWEEN THE PRETENTIONS OF THE HYPOCRITICAL DECEIVER AND HIS ACTIONS AT HOME."
(AN APOLOGY FOR MUHAMMAD AND THE QURAN BY JOHN DAVENPORT)

10) "I WANTED TO KNOW THE BEST OF THE LIFE OF ONE WHO HOLDS TODAY UNDISPUTED SWAY OVER THE HEARTS OF MILLIONS OF MANKIND. I BECAME MORE THAN EVER CONVINCED THAT IT WAS NOT THE SWORD THAT WON A PLACE FOR ISLAM IN THOSE DAYS IN THE SCHEME OF LIFE.IT WAS THE RIGID SIMPLICITY, THE UTTER SELF-EFFACEMENT OF PROPHET,THE SCRUPULOUS REGARD FOR PLEDGES,HIS INTENSE DEVOTION TO HIS FRIENDS AND FOLLOWERS,HIS FEARLESSNESS,HIS ABSOLUTE TRUST IN GOD AND HIS OWN MISSION.THESE AND NOT THE SWORD CARRIED EVERYTHING BEFORE THEM AND SURMOUNTED EVERY OBSTACLE."
(MAHATMA GANDHI)

11) "MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) WAS THE SOUL OF KINDNESS AND HIS INFLUENCE WAS LEFT AND NEVER FORGOTTEN BY THOSE AROUND HIM."
(PROPHET OF THE EAST BY DIWAN CHAND SHARMA)

12) "THAT HIS MUHAMMAD'S REFORMS ENHANCED THE STATUS OF WOMEN,IN GENERAL,IS UNIVERSALLY ADMITTED."
(MOHAMMEDANISM BY H.A.R GIBB)


all these ppl are bro are non-muslims.. so according to u if he's a liar , then first u must prove all these 12 ppl as liars and all the millions of ppl who confirmed PROPHET MUHAMMAD(P.B.U.H) as a man of excellent stand of character. then only u hav the right to tel things bout this divine messenger(p.b.u.h) and obviously ur comment doesn't obviate the comments of these gr8 ppl, u need to prove me with substantial evidence, and if u can't then u wil hav to ********"ERASE UR COMPLETE BLOG"********** BCOS *******U WER UN AUTHENTIC AND DEALED WITH HYPOCRISY RIGHT FROM THE START******* ya do it by OCCAM'S RAZOR or watever....


or else if u still think if ur ryt.(which surely i kno tat u wil) then research first on all the ppl from day 1 of earth til nov 20,2010 who told even a pinch of GOOD about PROPHET MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) and then list all those ppl and research on their biographies and mail me with substantial evidence supporting ur point. and if u can't do this u don't hav a IOTA OF RIGHT to dare open ur mouth against such a divine personality. now here i am not getting 'EMOTIONAL' even a bit , i am just getting more and more logical using ur own tool...


and this is just 0.0000000000000000000000000000tending to infinity 1% about islam and its significance bcos my fragile human hands can also type to a certain limit tats all...

mohammed said...

and ya another point from ur blog, u commented tat BIBLE,KORAN,TORAH believe in dieties, no this is wrong.. ISLAM BELIEVES IN MONOTHEISM , v believe in one GOD who is formless and the who has power over all(HE may not be able to do all the things tats y HE created angels ,and so ya the point tat GOD can't do everything is ryt. as far as islam is concerned, GOD HAS POWER OVER ALL THINGS, but cannot do everything, der is a thin line between teh both.

and ya brother, all this only bcos i am a slave of the ONE TRUE GOD not bcos i hav the slightest aversion to ur thoughts, nothing personal bro.. and any further questions u can surely ask me.. :)

peace be on u brother.. :) :) :)
take care.. :)

mohammed said...

ok, and if u think that the GLORIOUS QURAN is being constantly edited as recent technological advancements are taking place, then go get a copy of teh QURAN and compare it to the original QURAN which is somewer in turkey... (OSMAN R.A (3RD CALIPH OF ISLAM'S TIME) , even a french critic stated thistat the arabs hav managed to keep the QURAN above human fallacy (i think 17th century william muir not sure bout the name bro, forgive me)and if u think tat Dr. Zakir Naik and Ahmad Deedat are twisting and turning verses of the QURAN for their own advantage, then der r many ppl in the muslim community and the non muslim community(who r actually "HUNTING" to find an aberration or contradiction or ambiguity in him would hav found bout this ages back) and if u still feel tat the whole world is being fooled and tat ur teh only person left in the world who's detecting this, then plz tel me teh particular verses, i wil go chk. for myself and c tat wat he is doing is right or wrong... and ya coming to miracles and stuff.. u said in ur blog tat pray for proof of GOD for a week and stuff ryt.? chk. out this link (WIKI CAN'T LIE)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Badr

muslims believe, the atheists dont hav to believe , bcos v muslims may b wrong ,so ya teh muslims believe tat this particular war was helped by divine help or MIRACLE and this is a historical fact as well, found in non islamic historical records, so now don believe tat any divine guidance was given... and see teh numbers... of how many the muslim army had and how many the quraish had..

mohammed said...

now der r many logical explanations for the muslim's victory:
1) they r physically strong
2) they hav superior tech
3) usa is secretly helping them
4) ur eyes are cheating u, the numbers r actually something else

1) they can't b so physically strong tat every man can defeat 3 times his opponent and not getting hurt , this is illogical.

2) the arabs in the neo islamic stages(6th century) had lil or no proper tech with them., actually dey wer a bunch of ppl with camels and "war-like" weapons.this v can prove from historical records as well.so as the arabs as a whole din't hav superior weapons, (as the quraish also were of arab tribes) both had a fair hand at tech. means tat the only criteria of victory was larger number.

3) yes, usa cud "TIME TRAVEL" in teh past and help them , but as v kno tat usa is majority anti-muslim so it wud rather help the quraish to win than the muslims... but the opposite happened, refuting the supposed hypothesis.
and der is no substantial evidence also of PROVED TIME TRAVEL TILL NOW.

4) yes this also may b the reason, ur eyes may b cheating or u may b suffering from a "IMAGINARY RETINAL PHEONMENA" which may display info tat u don want to see, if this is the case, then the problem is with u but not the pragmatic reality.


and ya the GLORIOUS QURAN also tells tat the plant has sexes: male and female, and this was also discovered recently.

and the GLORIOUS QURAN (even teh GOSPEL AND THE TORAH) confirm teh SPLIT IN THE WATER BODY CREATED MY MOSES (p.b.u.h) which also is supported by modern scientists.

i can go on and on and on bout the scientific facts of teh GLORIOUS QURAN , the GLORIOUS QURAN mentions tat the earth is round, and bout the plants , water cycle, embroyology, and tat the hearing sense is given first than the sight(which teh modern research on the foetus also states)... i can go on and on like this but i may get exhausted at some point. but the things written in the GLORIOUS QURAN can't be exhausted, THE QURAN CONFIRMS: "IF ALL THE TREES ARE MADE PENS AND ALL THE OCEANS INK AND SEVEN MORE OCEANS(TO ADD TO ITS SUPPLY) THEN ALSO THE WORDS OF ALLAH WILL NOT BE EXHAUSTED"


and ya coming to the place wer u said tat islam supports "HATE AND GENOCIDE" ,i would like to show a quotation of the GLORIOUS QURAN :"HELP YE ONE ANOTHER IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PIETY, BUT HELP YE NOT ONE ANOTHER IN SIN AND RANCOR..." this quotation cancels or nullifies or more precisely with the OCCAM'S RAZOR ur claim tat islam is ancient religion which promotes hate and genocide, cos if its ancient then the modern scientific facts wud not hav been found in teh scriptures and if it promotes hate and genocide, then this quotation of the quran wudnt hav been there..

awakened said...

Mohammad the quraan has nothing scientific in it, all the texts that you posted about the scientific miracles in the quran are only tossed around in the islamic community as factual evidence, when in fact you won't find a respectable scientist who would agree about the horrible scientific errors in this ancient book.

As for what you call the miracle of the quran declaring that the earth is like the shape of an ostrich egg, is very wrong, in fact you might want to return to the arabic dictionary and look the word "Da7aha = Flattened it" which islamic scholars after so much kicking and screaming had changed it to "Odheyah" you will find that "Odheyah" in fact means an Ostrich nest, not egg. which comes as no surprise when muhammad thought that the earth was disc shaped like an "Odheyah - Ostrich nest".

To further clarify my point, muhammad announced to his followers "sahaba" that the earth is formed from seven layers, each layer thickness is estimated with the distance of a 700 years walk. I have already mentioned this in previous posts.

Muhammad I have had this debate with so many clerics and scholars and im really tired of repeating my self, so i hope you don't mind if i throw this link at you, so you can read, and hopefully it will give you a glimpse of what im trying to convey to you.

http://www.1000mistakes.com/1000mistakes/index.php

Have fun, and don't come back till you have read every thing in that link.

mohammed said...

Hello sir,
the link which u gave me and the matter written it "CHIMERICAL" , completely out of context... if u actually believed in tat, then i think u wil believe in this also...

chk. out this link

http://scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php

many renowned scientists "AFFIRMING" tat the GLORIOUS QURAN is definitely scientific with evidence...
chk. all the videos...
and also chk. the other hyperlinks...

and sir, bout ur questions in ur blog... regarding the "ONTOLOGICAL" evidence of GOD and stuff lik tat..

i wud lik to describe u this:

in ISLAM , v hav two things.:

1) AMR
2) KHALQ (THEORY OF CAUSATION)

so all tat u used to prove the evidence against GOD just falls under KHALQ which is used in this world mostly...

but AMR is wat GOD ALMIGHTY uses :

its written in THE GLORIOUS QURAN tat: " BE! AND IT IS!" this is how ALLAH s.w.t dictates teh universe, and so ur "LOGICAL " PROOF of the evidence of atheism vanishes here..

mohammed said...

and bro i am reely reeely sorry tat i can't answer all teh questions bout islam in the link as time is reeeeely leessss i wud lik to share u this quotation of the GLORIOUS QURAN , i hope this quotation wil help u understanding islam better: " IF U THINK TAT THIS BOOK IS WRONG , THEN WRITE A SURAH OF A BOOK THEREOF"

THE GLORIOUS QURAN IS giving an open challenge to the ppl to write a book lik tat if they true in wat they say, and the medieval arabia was very good at literature, lik they wer not good at other languages but arabic.. there wer many literary giants at tat time who tried to do this and none succeeded.


and sir bout another question on the 1000 mistakes link vch u sent me...


THE QURAN SAYS: if ALLAH s.w.t willed he would make the non-muslims more powerful than the muslims, and today in many parts of the world, it is so...

then this proves QURAN is wrong..


ya the "ACTUAL" answer to this question is tat, the followers of tat particular religion may not b fully following tat religion , lik every covenant , and tats y GOD prefers them to be subservient to other non-muslims who r much better in many other aspects... if u reeeeeely want to see how GOD treats the "ACTUAL MUSLIMS" TRUE MUSLIMS who r very less now-a-days then read the islamic history in the 7th century to the 12th century called as the ISLAMIC GOLDEN AGE , in this era muslims were more than half of the world in population, and all "SCIENTIFIC" advancements wer done my muslims, for example:

1) the concept of banking was started by muslims

2) the first world map was drawn by al-idrusi in 1154 A.D

3) they introduced the concept of windmill

4) OMAR BIN-KHATTAB R.A was teh first person to introduce teh concept of police force...

and many innumerous things connected to medicine, science, philosophy. etc.. and all other fields of science..

and if u read the EUROPEAN RENAISSANCE which led to REFORMATION IN EUROPE FROM THE DARK AGES
U WUD find tat it was the arabs who lifted them from their poverty, illiteracy, and many other things.. even OBAMA in his first speech at egypt mentioned this:" IT IS THE MUSILMS WHO CAUSED THE RENAISSANCE AND REFORMATION IN EUROPE AND ELEVATED EUROPE FROM THE DARK AGES"

mohammed said...

nd ya lik always.. these are just a glimpse of wat the muslims contributed to "SCIENCE" which l8r.. ppl are using the same "SCIENCE" to counter islam falsely...

and ya if u ask me , y wer the muslims so developed then and now lik this?

answer is simple: bcos they are not following the religion perfectly, tats y...

and if anybody starts following islam perfectly, then all the world major problems can b eradicated:
lik

POVERTY can be eradicated with the help of ZAKAT (2.5 % of ur property distributed especially to the poor muslim or non-muslim) and


and this concept of zakat or compulsary giving of charity is not there in any religion except islam making this a practical and feasible religion which deals with world situations with efficiency.

and lik i said b4 der r "MANYYYY" things in the QURAN which if applied can make the world a better place to live in.. and they hav already been applied in teh past, so tat provides worthwhile evidence for it..

but the reason why islam now-a-days is being put down by many ppl is tat , the media is mainly anti-islam, do u kno tat 9/11 is a myth? ya go read it.. der r many things which ppl are trying to do just to show islam as the cause.... but this happened in the past also.... and it will survive.. as it has survived the past.. ISLAM IS THE FUTURE MY BROTHER.. :) 36000 americans converted to islam since 9/11 to 2007


islam is teh fastest growing religion in the world right now ,

it is predicted tat at the same rate of conversion , many areas in europe and america wil become predominantly muslim..

many christian baptists and nuns are converting to islam after reading the QURAN and one of the famous ppl who converted to islam is SHEIKH YUSUF ESTES , he was a christian baptist b4 in america, read his story of "Y" he converted to islam and "Y" islam is teh best.. now this is coming from a former baptist not some fanatic desert nomad :)


http://www.islamfortoday.com/yusufestes.htm


read this brother and if u hav any other doubts u can ask me brother, bcos its my duty as a muslim to do so , and tat too very peacefully... :) take care brother.. :) peace be on u.. :)

mohammed said...

brother and the most famous conversion is actually called "reverting" is tat of TONY BLAIR'S SITER-IN-LAW LAUREN BOOTH:

read this article and u wud kno "WHY SO MANY MODERN BRITISH CAREER ORIENTED WOMEN ARE CONVERTING TO ISLAM?"

http://blog.onlyislam.net/2010/10/why-are-so-many-modern-british-career.html


and this is the "NUTSHELL" of wats happening in the world right now.. PEOPLE ARE FIRST RESEARCHING ON THIS FAITH WITH A BAD EYE AND GETTING CONVINCED BOUTT THE TRUTH AND L8R BECOMING MUSLIMS ALHAMDULILLAH ..

and if this also doesn't convince u and u need further explanation then u message me further questions brother, don't hesitate, i wil GOD WILLING try to answer them out of my tight time schedule.

THE GLORIUOS QURAN CONFIRMS IN SURAH ISRAA CH. 17 V. 81: "WHEN TRUTH IS HURLED AGAINST FALSEHOOD, FALSEHOOD PERISHES BECAUSE FALSEHOOD IS BY ITS NATURE BOUND TO PERISH."

mohammed said...

and if u analyse the various scriptures of christianity, buddhism , hinduism u wil find startling evidence of islam and prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) mentioned...


prophet muhammad(p.b.u.h) in the hindu scriptures:

http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=201&Itemid=131


prophet muhammad(p.b.u.h) in the jewish scriptures:

http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=144&Itemid=138



prophet muhammad(p.b.u.h) in the buddhist scriptures:

http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=199&Itemid=142


prophet muhammad(p.b.u.h) in the zoroastrianic scriptures:

http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=211&Itemid=185


and ya u sumwer told u in ur blog tat wat if all the muslims suddenly find out tat hindu god is right or buddhist god is right on the day of judgment , TAT PART OF UR DISCUSSION IS THUS PROVEN UTTERLY FALSE by the links given above:


its written or prophesised in their scriptures bout PROPHET MUHAMMAD(p.b.u.h) then how can one stil say wat u wrote in ur blog?


and ya leave the scripture part , i wil answer u a very logical reply:

islam strictly believes in teh formless GOD

now all other religions other than islam believe in a concept called "PANTHEISM" , means GOD is of human form , or giving GOD shape..


WHICH A normal individual wud deny.. bcos wen ur giving a shape to GOD, then u need further evidence to confirm tat whether tat GOD exists or not by actually seeing HIM...ppl need extra evidence now if they say tat GOD is of this form , or tat form he has four hands, two legs, or he has a tail.. ur giving a form to it...

and this goes against the hindu scriptures as well even against the GOSPEL

the VEDAS SAY: "NA TASYA PRATIMA ASTHI" means "THERE IS NO FORM OF HIM" here PRATIMA means physical form..

the GOSPEL says: " NO BODY CAN EVER SEE GOD" and this proves jesus (p.b.u.h) was not GOD as he was seen by the gentiles and the 11 disciples through the GOSPEL itself..


peace be on u brother :) take care... :) :) :)

mohammed said...

yaa and bout the hadith quotations in tat 1000 errors link, there are many false hadiths , the actual hadith is THE SAHIH MUSLIM OR THE SAHIH AL-BUKHARI, and yaa the numbersss lik 500 yrs walk , or 7 layers
all tat are mostly un authentic :)

even i got the same doubt..
but the QURAN IS TOTALLY AUTHENTIC
IT DINT CHANGE AND IT WIL NEVER CHAGNE:)

ya so wen u consulting a HADITH , jus make sure tat it is a true one..

awakened said...

Muhammad, the hadeeth that i quoted was a test, it's source is from "Saheh Al-Bukhari" which i purchased from Jareer Book Store in Saudi Arabia, which has been reviewed by foremost renowned scholars, you will find this hadeeth at the beginning of the book at the section of creation hadeeths, by refuting this hadeeth, you are contradicting your self, and you're refuting what you just called valid hadeeth.

What you're doing is called "Cherry Picking" by picking and choosing the things that you like from the Quran and the hadith and the islamic media as valid evidence, then refusing the false teachings and contradictions and errors as week hadeeth, or misinterpretation of the quran.

Now let me tell you something about having an open mind; If those people whom converted to Islam, if they convert back to christianity or to atheism, will you then believe that the quran is not the word of god?
Or, if your favorite "Da'eyah" Zakir Naik told you that he just discovered that Islam is a lie, would you then believe him?

I know that your answer to the above is going to be as follows:
Human opinion about the quran is not valid, because the quran is a perfect book, and only humans misinterpret its perfect verses duo to their imperfection.

Why?
Because God wrote the Quran.

How do you know that God wrote the Quran?
Because it is written in the quran.

It is a circular argument and leads no where.

mohammed said...

ok bro, sincerely speaking i too have an open mind... right now as ur telling tat the hadith quoted is authentic then i have no power here to argue u ... i must first go and check it for myself which i wil surely do ... ok bro... and i am not one of those ppl who believe blindly... i am not tat type... i take in inputs... i hear to wat ppl hav to say, tats y i commented on ur blog. or else i wud hav sat back at home and done nothing bout it... and ya if those ppl convert back to atheism or christianity then also my faith in islam won't decrease UNLESS AND UNTIL I VERIFY FOR MYSELF WAT UR QUOTING.. AND TAT I WIL SURELY DO.. ok dude.. til then i dont hav anything to argue unless i seee it for myself and ask some moulvi saab bout it... till then bye brother.. take care... peace be on u.. :) :) :) so u liv in saudi? i am from hyderabad, india...i am an engineering student... :)

mohammed said...

brother , thanks a lot ...!!! the 1000 errors in the QURAN link vch u gave me provides explanations to the various quotes in the QURAN "FALSELY" , if u wanna know wat exactly the quotes mean chk. out these threads.. :)

http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/quran-hadith-prophet-muhammad/refuting-webiste-1000-mistakes-quran-2269


and now the reason i said "THANKS" to u is tat u indirectly reaffirmed my faith more firmer in my mind and heart. and don worry , i wil make sure tat i send teh true message across.. and dr. zakir naik and ahmad deedat r doing a gr8 job, lest some people do not understand them.

the QURAN says: "THIS IS A BOOK FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND."

so INSHA ALLAH i am a person who understands...


u kno tat Deedat challenged the Pope for a public debate? and u kno wat the Pope's answer was ? "NO" he first said lets do it indoors, and then l8r he stopped sending messages to him... and y do u think so ? "O ATHEIST!?"

simply bcos he himself is not convinced with the GOSPEL, while Deedat and any other muslim lik me is very much convinced with the QURAN , and ya here we part ways...

bcos even thought substantial evidence is there, u r not believing in GOD ... so its ur wish here also...


and if u seriously believe tat atheism is a new idea just around the corner of the nineteenth century.. then think bout this:

many ppl were atheists b4 also lik from 0 A.D and stuff, but they couldn't succeed, only some religions survived, lik for example zoroastrianism is almost a dead faith now with just 1.5 lakh followers world wide.. and atheism don ask bout it..

any way best of luck with ur atheist principles..

and i dont hav anything personal with u.. v r just ppl discussing our ideas.. its ALLAH s.w.t u wil hav to give an answer to sooner or later..

bye brother peace be on u! tak care..!!! :) :) :)

mohammed said...

and ya do check that the "refuting the 1000 errors in the quran link... and GOD WILLING u wil kno the truth... and even if u don't acknowledge it there's no compulsion:
"LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION, TRUTH STANDS CLEAR OUT FROM ERROR." -GLORIOUS QURAN

bye brother !!! :) PEACE!!! :)

Marie Lupton said...

Huh?? That made very little sense

David lalhruaitluanga said...

Islam is the most insane, stupid and falsehood religion that i have to say, thats all. Even stupid than Hinduism and all. Even im from India North east.

Author Prayatna said...

They talk about Muhammad being mentioned in the Hinduic scripts. Even few logics are also presented. But the thing is they know not Hinduism in deep.

Do you know why a horse has its one leg in the air while its three legs in the ground? ...
I bet no one does... The four legs of the horse represents the four Vedas (Rig, Sam, Yajur and Atharva Vedas).
Here's the truth ... Ved Vyas was only the knower of Rig Veda, Sam Veda and Yajur Veda except for the Atharva Veda.
Atharva Veda was never explained by anyone... I mean none, not even Vyas! So, one of the few tasks of Kalki becomes - to explain the knowledge of Atharva Veda (symbollically - the fourth leg of Kalki's horse).

I'm saying this because Prophet Muhammad had never ever explained the knowledge Atharva Ved in the Mecca, or did he? Please, ask this question to those who claim that Prophet Muhammad to be Kalki.

But why are the leaders presenting "Muhammad" as "Kalki"? ... You know Why? ... cuz they don't know who Kalki is ... It is just their hunch! ... Yeah, few similarities are presented but I think that isn't fully sufficient to prove that Muhammad is Kalki.

But on the other hand, (according to my perspective, the perspective that I had developed on my own from the wisdom of Mahamati Prannath), Rasul Muhammad is partially Kalki (in one way)!!! ... Do you wanna know why? ... Then, please read Alif Lam Mim. Alif Lam Mim is
the Kalki of Hindus!!! And not even the Hindus or the Muslims ever knew of this fact!!!
Rasul Muhammad's spirit was also present in Kalki (or Mahamati Prannath)!!

And Mahamati Prannath is Kalki because he had explained the Atharva Veda in its original sense!!! Thus, by explaining Atharva Veda, Mahamati Prannath (the Kalki) has ridden his horse!

Also download the biography of Mahamati Prannath by clicking here, and read it for yourself if you don't believe me a bit!!!

Raymond said...

God is the product of weakness & Fright of Man

Raymond said...

For thousands of years our Anatomy & organs were same. If Hindu or Muslim or Christian literature say their god is true, then all the science & technology, computers & mobile, electricity generation manual etc., should have been in their book.

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